SSJ Kid Gohan vs (50%) Frieza

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SSJ Kid Gohan vs (50%) Frieza

Topic Started: Sep 20 2011, 06:13 AM (3,625 Views)

Kruegs Outlandish

Sep 20 2011, 06:13 AM Post #1

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Kid Gohan on Namek at his peak goes SSJ. Can he match 50% of Frieza's full power?

imo, he's lower, but could still hang; he'd have to rage to actually exceed Frieza, but that wouldn't last too long, and despite Frieza being exceeded, he's still only using 50% of his power.

Kid Gohan	[950 000, 1 100 000]
SSJ Kid Gohan	[47 500 000, 55 000 000]
(50%) Frieza	60 000 000

Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Sep 20 2011, 06:19 AM.

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Sep 20 2011, 06:19 AM Post #2

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I'd say SSJ Gohan enraged would push past 50% Frieza.

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Sep 20 2011, 10:08 AM Post #3

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Well I think this is right I hope someone with the Diaz will double check for me), but Gohan's last recorded PL Angry was: 2,4000,000(And he would have to be because he was pushing back Form 3 Frieza, so he would have to be equal to or slightly then THAT Form, so the 1 Mil Number logically doesn't add up). And well Rage is needed for SS, so Gohan would be at his capable peak with this SS, so I got: 120,000,000. That's using x50. So either Gohan gets worn down due to his lack of fighting experience, or Gohan hurts Frieze (As soon as he turns 100%) enough to severely weaken him enough that his Ki drain takes care of the rest imo.

Edited by Saberoph, Sep 20 2011, 10:19 AM.

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Sep 20 2011, 11:16 AM Post #4

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I don't recall a power for Gohan in Daizenshuu.

Ah, so if Gohan, can't rage (since he's rage made him SSJ anyways), then, imo, he gets beat. Rage was the only reason he had surpassed Frieza in the first, otherwise his battle power was lower, and if his rage makes him SSJ, and he can't raise his power any further, then yeah, 50% frieza takes.

My ~1 000 000 isn't a rage power, but his fighting power nonetheless. Like at Guldo w/ Krillin, when they seriously power-up and fight. Goku's 3 000 000 and can match Initial Final Form Frieza, whereas Vegeta's somewhere in [1 750 000, 2 500 000] and can't hang. Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin were being Anime-Matrix-treated and couldn't touch slow-motion-dodging Frieza.

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Sep 20 2011, 01:15 PM Post #5

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I was just using Gohan's rage because rage is needed for SS, and for this to be 50% Frieza, this needs to be Gohan's last rage boast imo.

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Sep 20 2011, 01:23 PM Post #6

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base gohan: 540,000
ssj: 27,000,000

50% frieza: 60,000,000

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Sep 20 2011, 02:25 PM Post #7

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But a Saiyans Rage equals Gohans Hidden power, so wouldn't it be his last recorded rage x50 for SS. I worded it like that because it makes sense to me.

Or would that little bit be some leeway for SS Gohan to power up?

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475,000 - Gohan
23,750,000 - Super Saiya-jin Kid Gohan

Freeza (50%) - 68.400.000

I didn't imply the rage boost for Son Gohan but he loses to 50% Freeza. While he's enraged in the Super Saiya-jin form, there is no telling how powerful he'll become.

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Sep 20 2011, 05:54 PM Post #9

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Sep 20 2011, 02:25 PM
But a Saiyans Rage equals Gohans Hidden power, so wouldn't it be his last recorded rage x50 for SS. I worded it like that because it makes sense to me.

Or would that little bit be some leeway for SS Gohan to power up?

gohan has never had a standard rage boost while ssj. the only time he powered up from rage wile ssj, he went on into the next form, ssj2. since i don't believe it's possible to reach ssj2 without first mastering ssj, all gohan can hope for is that he accidentally goes to assj (40,500,000), or ussj (81,000,000). as a ussj, if he catches frieza off guard, he ends him, then and there. but that's gohan's only hope here. regular ssj is 50x base, and i have gohan's base, post zenkai, at 540,000.

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The reason why I said that is because every time Gohan got angry, more of his hidden power is released. So, my question is that because of how Gohans anger effects his power. So, I was wondering if the x50 would from Gohans calm pl or would it be on top of Gohans recorded rage pl.

So I'm sure you can see why I'm asking that.

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Sep 20 2011, 06:41 PM Post #11

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the rage boost is only temporary. once he triggers a transformation, it would override the rage boost, not add even more power to it. besides, if we want to get into all that, by my numbers, gohan's true power at this point is only 4,320,000, which is why he DIDN'T go ssj, despite meeting all the stated requirements. he didn't have enough hidden power at the time to transform, because his potential was just released.

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That's what my next question, thanks for answering them.

So, would it be safe for me to say that since Goku wasn't no where near close to SS when Gohan was conceived his body wasn't conditioned enougb for the Transformation.

That's what I'm getting here...

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Sep 20 2011, 07:28 PM Post #13

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according to the daiz entry on ssj3, ssj is a dormant ability based transformation, not a physical transformation. not counting his potential release, gohan's base power is something like 2,000 right now. you need between 30k-90k to become an ssj . i say 50k, but that's just me. gohan, since his (unreleased) base is still just 2k and some change, still isn't powerful enough to transform. and even if he did transform, he's using a full 1/8 of his true power by my numbers, counting his potential release, so ssj would only boost him up to a little over 4,000,000.

but, even assuming that he could transform, and that he did get the full 50x multiplier, that only gets him to 27,000,000 by my numbers, and 50% frieza is a full 60,000,000. so no matter how you look at it, under the best case scenaro, gohan can't win as an ssj.

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Legend says, a ssj would beat frieza...I can't see nothing passed a frieza defeat here. No matter how much you do your calculations..AT would make it so...

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Gohan : 500,000 - 1,000,000
SSJ Gohan : 25,000,000 - 50,000,000

Frieza (50%) : 60,000,000

Frieza wins imo.

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